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Cartigny

A hard northern French bitter apple of the type used in small proportion for phenolic concentration, now uncommon and thinly documented.

Classification
Bitter — French cider apple families
Harvest
Late (Late October)
Single varietal
Not suited to a single-varietal cider
Blend role
Tannin and structure, Late season
Origin
Northern France
Species
Malus domestica
Vigour
Vigorous
Biennial bearing
Markedly biennial — heavy and light years alternate
Keeping
Good

How it is classified

French cider apple families

Bitter · Amère

Very high tannin with low acid — more tannic than the bittersweet family and used in smaller proportion.

Basis: Tannin above 3 g/L and acidity below 3 g/L as H₂SO₄.

Placed in the bitter family; the record for this cultivar is thin enough that the placement should be read as a working classification rather than a settled one.

Every classification on CiderHQ names its system. Why there is more than one.

What it contributes to a blend

A direction, not a measurement. These bands are the level of resolution the evidence supports, and they say which way adding this fruit pushes a blend rather than what the finished cider will be.

Contribution to a blend, scored 1–5 as a band. The filled segment is the typical value; the paler segments are the range.
AxisTypicalRange
AcidLow
TanninFirm
SugarModerate
BitternessMarked
AstringencyDrying
AromaRestrained
BodyMedium
Based on: description rather than analysis

Description in French orchard practice as a hard bitter apple, with no analysis and no widely agreed classification behind it.

Hard and astringent, with the drying grip that characterises the French bitter family and little else to report.

Aroma

No aroma descriptors are recorded for Cartigny, and for a great deal of cider fruit that is a finding rather than a gap. Bittersweet apples in particular contribute tannin, sugar and body while being close to aromatically mute, and most of what a cider made from them smells of was produced by the fermentation rather than carried in by the fruit. CiderHQ publishes the absence rather than filling the space with descriptors nothing supports.

Put Cartigny into a blend

Measured analysis

No analysis recorded

CiderHQ holds no sourced juice analysis for Cartigny. Figures for this cultivar circulate, but they reach the present through compilation rather than through the original tables, and publishing a number we cannot attribute would give it an authority it has not earned. What is known about how the fruit behaves is described above and below.

In the orchard

Harvest window
Late
Flowering
Not recorded
Vigour
Vigorous
Cropping
Markedly biennial — heavy and light years alternate
Keeping
Good

Juice and pressing

How it is used

On its own

Not suited to a single-varietal cider

There is no tradition of bottling it alone and no reason to expect the result would be balanced.

About Cartigny

Cartigny is included here as an honest example of the thinly documented tail of French cider fruit. It is a hard bitter apple, it is used the way hard bitter apples are used, and beyond that the record is meagre. There is no raiser, no date, and no analysis that CiderHQ can verify.

That thinness is itself worth recording rather than papering over. French cider cultivar lists run to several hundred names, most of them attached to fruit known from a handful of orchards in a single département. Standard references describe perhaps thirty of them in any detail; the rest are names with a family label attached. A knowledge base that describes all of them with equal confidence is inventing most of what it says.

What can be said is functional. A fruit in the amère family goes into a blend at a small percentage, contributes bitterness and astringency out of proportion to its volume, and is not expected to supply sugar or acid. Cartigny is used that way, and a grower who has it will treat it interchangeably with any other local bitter.

Names, origin and identity

Cultivar naming is the hardest problem in cider fruit data. The same tree carries different names across ten miles, and two different trees have shared a name for two centuries.

Origin · traditional account

The name matches communes in both Normandy and the Somme, and the fruit has been attributed to each. Neither attribution rests on more than the coincidence of names.

Related cultivars

Recorded relationships, including the ones this fruit is routinely confused with.

Fruit that plays a similar part

Cultivars sharing a classification under the same system and a comparable role in a blend. Not a similarity score — a stated relationship.

Where it grows

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Where to go next

Sources

What this page rests on. Where a source is marked as registered rather than read, CiderHQ is recording that the body is authoritative on the subject without claiming to have worked through the document itself. See our evidence policy for what each state means.

Traditional record Evidence standard for this record. What that means.