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Tetrahydropyridines

The compounds behind mousiness, which cannot be smelled in the glass because they are not volatile at cider pH and appear only as an aftertaste once saliva has raised the pH in the mouth.

Also called Mousy taint compounds, ACTPY, 2-acetyltetrahydropyridine.

Class
Nitrogen compounds
Formula
Not a single molecule — see below
How often it matters
Occasional

What it does in cider

How it is perceived

What the compound registers as, and at roughly what concentration. Perception is not a property of the molecule alone: sugar, tannin and carbonation all change where a threshold falls.

On threshold

Detected at extremely low concentrations by those who can detect them at all, and a substantial proportion of tasters cannot — sensitivity varies enough between individuals that a panel will genuinely disagree about whether a cider is affected. Rubbing a little cider between the palms and smelling the residue raises the pH and makes the taint apparent.

Descriptors it is responsible for

Sensory records that name Tetrahydropyridines as a cause. Each states the perception and the mechanism behind it.

The structure it moves

Structural dimensions this compound contributes to. Direction and amount depend on concentration and on what else is in the drink; the dimensions themselves are set out in full under Sensory.
DimensionWhat it is
Fermentation characterAromas made by the ferment rather than carried in from the fruit.
Phenolic characterSmoky, spicy, leathery or medicinal aromas that sit apart from fruit.

What forms it

Processes that put this compound into the drink, or increase how much of it is there.

What removes or limits it

Processes that reduce it, hold it below a threshold, or stop it forming in the first place.

Faults it is implicated in

Being implicated is not the same as being a fault. Several of the compounds on this site are ordinary constituents of a sound cider and define a named fault only above a concentration.

Organisms that produce it

Which organism is responsible usually decides whether the compound is a feature or a symptom.

About Tetrahydropyridines

Mousiness is the strangest fault in cider because of a quirk of chemistry. The compounds responsible — 2-acetyltetrahydropyridine and its relatives, together with 2-acetylpyrroline — are nitrogen bases. At the pH of cider they are protonated, and a protonated base is not volatile, so it cannot reach the olfactory receptors through the nose. A cider carrying a severe mousy taint smells clean.

Take a mouthful and saliva, which is close to neutral, deprotonates them. They volatilise in the mouth and reach the olfactory epithelium from behind, which is why the taint arrives several seconds after swallowing, why it is described as an aftertaste rather than an aroma, and why it lingers so unpleasantly. The standard bench test exploits the same effect: a little cider rubbed between the palms until the alcohol evaporates leaves a residue at skin pH that can be smelled directly.

Sensitivity varies more between individuals than for almost any other fault. A proportion of tasters cannot detect these compounds at all, which means a tasting panel can split genuinely rather than through inattention, and a producer who cannot detect them can ship affected cider in good faith.

The organisms are Dekkera and several lactic acid bacteria, working on lysine, and the conditions are the familiar ones: high pH, low free sulphur dioxide, long unattended maturation, wooden vessels. Nothing removes the compounds once they are formed. As with the ethylphenols, the answer is cellar hygiene, sulphite management appropriate to the pH, and not leaving a cider alone in a barrel for a year without tasting it.

Related compounds

Compounds it is formed from, converted into, confused with, or routinely met alongside.

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