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Domaines

A regular, well-behaved Norman bittersweet that has done well out of the shift to bush orchards, being one of the few traditional cultivars that suits intensive planting.

Also written Domaine, Domaines de Normandie.

Classification
Bittersweet — French cider apple families
Harvest
Mid (Late September to mid October)
Single varietal
Rarely bottled on its own
Blend role
Bittersweet base, Bulk juice
Origin
Normandy
Species
Malus domestica
Flowering
Pollination group 3
Vigour
Moderate
Biennial bearing
Slightly biennial
Keeping
Moderate
Evidence
Analysed in 2 sources, watched at 2 trial sites

How it is classified

French cider apple families

Bittersweet · Douce-amère

Low acid with substantial tannin.

Basis: Tannin 2 to 3 g/L and acidity below 3 g/L as H₂SO₄.

Every classification on CiderHQ names its system. Why there is more than one.

What it contributes to a blend

A direction, not a measurement. These bands are the level of resolution the evidence supports, and they say which way adding this fruit pushes a blend rather than what the finished drink will be.

Contribution to a blend, scored 1–5 as a band. The filled segment is the typical value; the paler segments are the range.
AxisTypicalRange
AcidLow
TanninModerate
SugarHigh
BitternessModerate
AstringencyNoticeable
AromaPresent
BodyMedium
Based on: its recorded classification

French bittersweet family placement; bands set at the family midpoint.

Moderately bitter, low in acid, clean-finishing. A middle-of-the-road bittersweet with no rough edges and no particular signature.

Aroma

No aroma descriptors are recorded for Domaines, and for a great deal of cider fruit that is a finding rather than a gap. Bittersweet apples in particular contribute tannin, sugar and body while being close to aromatically mute, and most of what a cider made from them smells of was produced by the fermentation rather than carried in by the fruit. CiderHQ publishes the absence rather than filling the space with descriptors nothing supports.

Put Domaines into a blend

Measured analysis

Each figure is shown with where and when it was taken. They are not averaged: the same cultivar grown in another climate genuinely gives different numbers, and collapsing them into one would be the most misleading thing this page could do.

Measured on the fruit

Measured on the fruit itself, before anything was done to it. These figures hold whatever was later made from the juice.

Reported analyses of Domaines, by property and source — measured on the fruit
PropertyReadingWhereWhenSource
Fruit diameter2 readings, spanning 67–69 mm69 mmWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
67 mm (60–74)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Fruit firmness62.9 N (53.7–72.1)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Fruit weight129 g (96–162)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Juice yield567 L/tWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
Starch pattern index7.7 SPI (7.0–8.4)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit

Measured on the juice

Measured on juice as pressed, before fermentation. This is where most cider analysis lives and what the classification schemes are defined on.

Reported analyses of Domaines, by property and source — measured on the juice
PropertyReadingWhereWhenSource
Brix2 readings, spanning 12.9–13.1 °Bx13.1 °BxWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
12.9 °Bx (11.5–14.4)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
pH2 readings, spanning 4.27–4.63 pH4.27 pHWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
4.63 pH (4.53–4.73)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Fructose68.3 g/L (44.1–92.5)Not used in comparisons: see note belowUSDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Glucose20.6 g/L (13.9–27.3)Not used in comparisons: see note belowUSDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Sorbitol18.0 g/L (11.2–24.8)Not used in comparisons: see note belowUSDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Specific gravity1.050 SGWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
Sucrose38.1 g/L (25.9–50.3)Not used in comparisons: see note belowUSDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Titratable acidity1.7 g/L (1.5–1.8)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Total acid0.200 % w/vWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center
Total phenolics2050.0 mg/L (1970.0–2130.0)USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, USA2017Modern analysisCornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit
Total tannin0.260 % w/vWSU Mount Vernon NWREC, Skagit Valley, Washington, USA2002–2017Modern analysisWashington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center

3 properties here have been measured more than once. The readings are shown as they were taken and are deliberately not averaged — climate, season, ripeness at picking, the age of the tree and the analytical method all move these numbers, and a single figure would hide every one of them. Where a spread is given below a property, it is the distance between separate studies, not the variation within any one of them.

How these were measured
  • Permanganate titration against indigo carmine, reported as tannic acid equivalent
  • Titration, reported as malic acid equivalent
  • Published as 2.73 inches; converted at 25.4 mm to the inch
  • Juice pressed from 25 fruit, 2015–2017 only. Published as 257 mL/lb; converted at 2.204623 lb to the kilogram
  • Mean of the fruit sampled per accession; where a bracket is shown it is one standard deviation either side of the mean, not the observed range. Published to two decimal places and shown at the precision CiderHQ displays for the unit.
  • Mean of the fruit sampled per accession; where a bracket is shown it is one standard deviation either side of the mean, not the observed range.
  • Cornell generic starch–iodine chart, 1–8, where 1 is no hydrolysis and 8 is complete. Mean of replicate fruit; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of it.
  • Penetrometer, mean of replicate fruit; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • Refractometer on pressed juice. Mean of replicates; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • Titration to pH 8.1 with sodium hydroxide, reported as malic acid equivalents. Mean of replicates; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • The starting pH recorded by the autotitrator before titration, on juice stored frozen at −80 °C and thawed; the source describes no separate pH measurement. Mean of replicates; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • Folin–Ciocalteu assay against gallic acid standards, published in grams per litre of gallic acid equivalent and stored here as milligrams per litre by exact conversion. The source converts these figures to Löwenthal tannic acid equivalents, by a laboratory factor of 1.6, only to sort its accessions into classes; the figure here is the unconverted one.
  • Enzymatic assay (Megazyme). Mean of replicates; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • D-sorbitol/xylitol assay kit (Megazyme), sorbitol dehydrogenase method. Mean of replicates; a bracket, where shown, is one standard deviation either side of the mean.
  • Glucose, fructose, sucrose and sorbitol: Not used in any distribution, ranking or comparison. This programme’s enzyme-assayed sugars do not reconcile with its own refractometer readings across the collection — for many varieties the sugars add up to more than the Brix reading allows. The figures were checked against the thesis’s own tables in October 2026 and are transcribed exactly: the disagreement is in the published source, which does not say which reading is wrong. Proportions between glucose, fructose and sucrose, which came from one assay, are still used in summary.
  • A chart position, not a quantity. Almost every accession here scored at or near 8, which says the fruit was picked at or past full starch conversion rather than that the cultivars are alike.
  • One harvest at one site. Soluble solids move several degrees between seasons and with crop load.
  • A Folin–Ciocalteu figure counts everything that reduces the reagent, not tannin alone, and is not interchangeable with a Löwenthal permanganate figure for the same juice. Compare this reading with other Folin–Ciocalteu readings in gallic acid equivalents.

Where it sits among the varieties each programme measured

Domaines against every other variety the same programme measured the same way. Repeat samples are reduced to their median first, and where a programme published a range and not a single figure the midpoint of that range stands for it. Laboratories disagree on absolute figures more than on order, so the position is the sturdier reading.
ProgrammePropertyDomainesProgramme medianPosition
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationTitratable acidity as malic1.7 g/L4.1 g/LAbove 7 and below 39 of the other 46: lowest quarter
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationpH4.633.64Above 39, level with 1, below 0 of the other 40: highest quarter
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationTotal phenolics2050 mg/L980 mg/LAbove 41 and below 5 of the other 46: highest quarter
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationBrix12.9 °Bx12.5 °BxAbove 28, level with 1, below 17 of the other 46: upper middle
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationFruit diameter67.0 mm65.0 mmAbove 25, level with 1, below 20 of the other 46: upper middle
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationFruit weight129 g124 gAbove 25, level with 1, below 20 of the other 46: upper middle
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationFruit firmness62.9 N58.9 NAbove 23 and below 21 of the other 44: upper middle
The USDA-PGRU germplasm characterisationStarch pattern index7.7 SPI8.0 SPIAbove 13, level with 2, below 29 of the other 44: lower middle
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialTotal acid0.20 % w/v0.32 % w/vAbove 4, level with 4, below 42 of the other 50: lowest quarter
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialpH4.273.92Above 37 and below 8 of the other 45: highest quarter
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialTotal tannin0.26 % w/v0.20 % w/vAbove 30 and below 14 of the other 44: upper middle
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialSpecific gravity1.0501.051Above 20, level with 1, below 23 of the other 44: lower middle
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialBrix13.1 °Bx12.5 °BxAbove 32, level with 1, below 17 of the other 50: upper middle
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialJuice yield567.0 L/t545.0 L/tAbove 31 and below 11 of the other 42: upper middle
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialFruit diameter69.0 mm63.0 mmAbove 32, level with 1, below 10 of the other 43: highest quarter

Compare within a study to see where these figures sat among the other cultivars the same work analysed — which is a more robust statement than the figures themselves, because absolute values move between laboratories and the ordering inside one study mostly survives.

Watched in the orchard

What named research programmes recorded about this fruit at their own sites. Bloom, harvest and cropping belong to a place and a run of seasons rather than to a cultivar, so they are reported site by site rather than merged.

WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trial

Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center, Mount Vernon, Skagit Valley, Washington · 2002–2017 · Washington State University Northwestern Washington Research and Extension Center

Maritime, with cool summers and mild wet winters — the closest North American analogue to the English West Country, and the reason the programme planted European cider fruit here rather than east of the Cascades.

Mean full bloom
29 April
Harvest
29 September
Bloom density
4.1 of 5
Productivity
2.4 of 5
Growth habit
–
Bearing
–
Alternate bearing
Semi alternate
Rootstocks
M9, MM.106

Filed here as bittersweet.

Tasted at this site

Color gold, mildly bitter. Nice tannin and aroma with light body and medium length finish. Fruity aftertaste. A pleasant cider with complex flavors. Needs acid addition for full balance.

Recorded by the programme from professional cidermakers in the region. One panel, one place, one set of seasons — a description of these ciders rather than of the cultivar everywhere.

Juice characteristics measured on 250 mL of pressed juice; juice yield from 25 fruit, 2015–2017 only. Bloom density, productivity and blind wood are the site’s own subjective 1–5 ratings. Figures are means across the seasons each cultivar was in the trial.

USDA-PGRU Malus germplasm characterisation

USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit, Geneva, New York, in the Finger Lakes region of western New York State · 2017 · Cornell University / USDA-ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit

Humid continental, with cold winters and warm summers moderated by the Finger Lakes — a sharper seasonal swing than any of the European cider regions whose fruit the collection holds, and warm enough in late summer to bring acid down faster than a maritime autumn does.

Held as
PI 173979, held as “Domaine”

One harvest season. Fruit assessed for weight, diameter, starch pattern index on the Cornell 1–8 chart and flesh firmness by penetrometer; juice pressed and measured for soluble solids by refractometer, titratable acidity by titration to pH 8.1 as malic acid, pH as the autotitrator’s starting reading on juice that had been frozen, total phenolics by Folin–Ciocalteu assay as gallic acid equivalent, and glucose, fructose, sucrose and sorbitol by enzymatic assay.

In the orchard

Harvest window
Mid
Flowering
Pollination group 3
Vigour
Moderate
Cropping
Slightly biennial
Keeping
Moderate

Regular enough to be planted with confidence in a commercial block, which is rarer among Norman cultivars than an outsider would guess.

109 other cultivars on this site with a recorded group could pollinate it — diploids flowering in group 3 or a group either side. See which, with their class and harvest window.

Disease and pest susceptibility

Recorded susceptibility. Pressure differs enormously by region and by season, so these are tendencies rather than predictions.
IssueSusceptibilityNote
Scabmoderate—
Fire blightmoderate—

Juice and pressing

How it is used

On its own

Rarely bottled on its own

Sound but unremarkable alone; there is nothing to name it for.

About Domaines

Domaines is one of the traditional Norman cultivars that survived the transition from grazed standard orchards to planted bush systems, and it survived for the same reason Michelin did in England: it crops regularly, it is manageable on a dwarfing rootstock, and it does not make demands. In a family of cultivars famous for bearing heavily one year and sulking the next, that is a substantial advantage.

Its juice is a competent French bittersweet — low acid, moderate tannin, decent sugar — without any characteristic that would make a maker single it out. It keeves acceptably rather than eagerly; its nitrogen is not as low as Bedan’s or Marie Ménard’s, so a producer relying on a clean stall will usually blend it with fruit that keeves more reliably.

The cultivar is a useful reminder that the modern French orchard is not a preserved nineteenth-century one. The set of cultivars planted in Normandy today has been filtered, over roughly two generations, by rootstock compatibility, cropping regularity and mechanical harvesting, and the fruit that came through that filter is not necessarily the fruit a nineteenth-century blender would have chosen.

Related cultivars

Recorded relationships, including the ones this fruit is routinely confused with.

Fruit that plays a similar part

Cultivars sharing a classification under the same system and a comparable role in a blend. Not a similarity score — a stated relationship.

Where it grows

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Sources

What this page rests on. Where a source is marked as registered rather than read, CiderHQ is recording that the body is authoritative on the subject without claiming to have worked through the document itself. See our evidence policy for what each state means.

Research Evidence standard for this record. What that means.