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The Long Ashton cider apple table

The acid and tannin figures behind almost every English cider apple classification, compiled from analyses made between 1905 and 1975 — and reaching CiderHQ third-hand, which is stated on every number.

Where do the acid and tannin figures for English cider apples come from?

From the Long Ashton Research Station, which analysed cider fruit systematically from 1903 until it closed in 2003. The per-cultivar acid and tannin figures quoted for English cider apples almost anywhere — in nursery catalogues, on producer websites, in modern handbooks — trace back to tables the station published across those decades.

CiderHQ has not opened those tables. What it holds is a transcription, published by a chemist who worked at the station on apple phenolics, of a compilation printed in Bulmer’s Pomona and in Beech and Carr, of analyses the station made between 1905 and 1975. That is three hands between the fruit and this site, and every figure says so.

The programme

Transcribed from the source as published. Nothing in this panel is CiderHQ’s wording.

Site
Long Ashton Research Station, near Bristol, North Somerset, England
Period
1905–1975
Cultivars transcribed
43
Measurements
86
Values withheld
None
Classifies under
long-ashton

Climate. Maritime and mild, with wet autumns and few hard frosts — the climate the English cider cultivars were selected in, and the reason their acid and tannin figures here are the ones the rest of the world has spent a century comparing its own fruit against.

Method. Freshly expressed juice, not finished cider. Acid by straight titration against alkali, reported as malic acid; tannin by Löwenthal permanganate titration, reported as tannic acid equivalent. Composite figures across seventy years of analyses: the source gives neither a sample count nor the year of any individual reading.

What the source says about itself

A transcription, not the station’s own tables. The chain runs Long Ashton → Bulmer’s Pomona (1987) and Beech and Carr (1977) → a transcription published by a former Long Ashton chemist → CiderHQ, which has opened only the last link. Treat the figures as the best available record of what the station found, not as the record itself.

Kingston Black, measured four timesOne cultivar, four measurement programmes, four sets of numbers — and the fourth is not a juice analysis at all. This is why CiderHQ never averages across studies.Kingston BlackThe same cultivar, at four programmesWSU Mount VernonSkagit Valley, Washington · 2002–2017 · juicepH3.51Total acid0.61% w/vTotal tannin0.15% w/vSugar13.3 °BxUSDA-PGRU GenevaFinger Lakes, New York · 2017 · juicepH4.23Titratable acidity2.1 g/LTotal phenolics1,080 mg/LSugar12.5 °BxLong AshtonSomerset, England · 1905–1975 · juiceTotal acid0.58% w/vTotal tannin0.20% w/vGeneva, New Yorklate 1970s · finished cider, not juiceFinished pH3.56Finished total tannin0.062% w/vFermentation and fining removedphenolic material. Not a disagreementwith the three above.Three juice pH values, 3.51 to 4.23.None of them is wrong.
One cultivar, four measurement programmes, four sets of numbers — and the fourth is not a juice analysis at all. This is why CiderHQ never averages across studies.
Described in full
Shape
Four stacked panels, one per programme, each naming the place, the period and the substrate that was analysed. Within each panel the figures that programme published for Kingston Black are listed with their units. The fourth panel is set apart by a dashed border and a heading that reads "finished cider, not juice".
WSU Mount Vernon, Skagit Valley, Washington, 2002–2017, juice
pH 3.51, total acid 0.61% w/v, total tannin 0.15% w/v, specific gravity 1.055, 13.3 °Bx. A maritime North American site chosen as the closest analogue to the English West Country, averaged across the seasons the cultivar was in trial.
USDA-PGRU Geneva, New York, 2017, juice
pH 4.23, titratable acidity 2.1 g/L, total phenolics 1,080 mg/L, 12.5 °Bx. One season, one harvest, in a continental climate with hotter summers and colder winters than the Skagit Valley. The pH is 0.72 units above the Mount Vernon figure for the same cultivar.
Long Ashton, Somerset, 1905–1975, juice
Total acid 0.58% w/v, total tannin 0.20% w/v. A seventy-year composite from the station whose figures underlie the English classification. Its tannin figure is a third higher than Mount Vernon’s for the same fruit.
Geneva, New York, late 1970s, finished cider
Finished pH 3.56, finished total acid 0.58% w/v, finished total tannin 0.062% w/v. Set apart because it is a different quantity with the same name: fermentation, fining and time remove phenolic material, so this tannin figure is roughly a third of the Long Ashton juice figure and cannot be read as disagreeing with it.
What the figure argues
The pH spread across the three juice analyses is 3.51 to 4.23, which is large enough to change what a maker would do about it, and none of the three is an error. A measurement is a statement about a fruit and a place and a season and a method. Averaging the four would produce a number that no orchard ever grew and no laboratory ever measured.

What it adds

What it cannot be asked

Stated as limits rather than as apology. A dataset with known bounds is more useful than one presented as complete.

Why these figures are not universal

These are Somerset figures. Long Ashton sat in a maritime English climate with cool summers and a long, damp autumn, and a cider apple’s acid and phenolic load are as much a statement about that as about the fruit. The same cultivars measured in the Skagit Valley, the Finger Lakes and the Shenandoah Valley give materially different numbers, and the differences are not errors in any of the four. A figure from this table describes what the fruit did at Long Ashton, and a grower elsewhere should expect their own orchard to disagree with it.

What was measured

Every property in the transcription, with how many cultivars carry it. A property measured on some cultivars and not others is a gap in the source, not in the transcription.

Properties recorded across 43 cultivars in The Long Ashton cider apple table
PropertyCultivarsReported in
Total acid43Percent weight per volume
Total tannin43Percent weight per volume
Total tannin across every cultivar in this dataset that carries it — 43 of them, from 0.640 down to 0.060 % w/v. Every figure here comes from this one programme, measured by one method in one place, which is the only arrangement under which a comparison like this is sound. Nothing on this chart may be read against another dataset’s column.
CultivarTotal tannin (% w/v)Where it sits in this study’s range
Médaille d’Or0.640
Sandford Jersey0.620
Nehou0.600
Vilberie0.520
Reine des Pommes0.470
Major0.410
Chisel Jersey0.400
Tremlett’s Bitter0.340
Harry Masters’ Jersey0.320
Yarlington Mill0.320
Stoke Red0.310
Dabinett0.290
Somerset Redstreak0.280
Balls Bittersweet0.280
Cimetière0.280
Bulmer’s Norman0.270
Lavignée0.270
Ellis Bitter0.240
Brown Snout0.240
Brown Thorn0.240
Breakwell’s Seedling0.230
Michelin0.230
Ashton Brown Jersey0.230
Broxwood Foxwhelp0.220
Bulmer’s Foxwhelp0.220
Collington Big Bitters0.210
Binet Rouge0.210
White Jersey0.200
Kingston Black0.200
Perthyre0.180
Reine des Hâtives0.170
Sweet Alford0.150
Taylor’s0.140
Sweet Coppin0.140
Tom Putt0.140
Browns Apple0.130
Reinette Obry0.130
Worcester Pearmain0.120
Court Royal0.110
Frederick0.090
Bramley’s Seedling0.080
Cox’s Orange Pippin0.070
Golden Delicious0.060

Ordering only. Where a figure was published as a range the midpoint is used to place the row, and the range itself — not the midpoint — is what appears on the cultivar’s own page.

What it can be read beside

The commonest way to misuse this corpus is not to misread one figure but to put two side by side that were never measuring the same thing. This is the judgement, stated.

Whether The Long Ashton cider apple table may be read in one column with the site’s other datasets
DatasetVerdictWhy
Typical English apple juice analysesComparableSame analytical conventions — acid as malic in percent weight per volume, tannin by permanganate — and the two together are the site’s clearest answer to what separates a cider apple from an eating apple: bittersweet tannin runs 0.20 to 0.64%, dessert and culinary fruit 0.03 to 0.20%.
The WSU Mount Vernon cider cultivar trialPartly comparableWSU reports in the same units and classifies under the same scheme, which makes the columns line up. What does not line up is the place: WSU says plainly that some cultivars classify differently in the Skagit Valley than they did in England, and seventeen of its seventy-three do.
The Geneva finished-cider analysesNot comparableGeneva measured finished cider; this table measured juice. The compiler noticed the Geneva tannins running at about half these figures and offered three explanations without being able to separate them. A fourth is that fermentation, fining and time remove phenolic material, and that the two were never measuring the same liquid.
The Virginia polyphenol characterisationNot comparableWinchester reports total polyphenols by Folin–Ciocalteu in gallic acid equivalents. Permanganate tannin and Folin–Ciocalteu phenolics respond to different molecules, and putting 0.64% beside 926 mg/L in one column would be comparing two assays rather than two fruits.

Where a dataset is not listed, no judgement has been recorded and the safe reading is that the two have not been checked against each other. CiderHQ never averages across studies: how evidence is handled sets out why.

Cultivars in this dataset

Each carries this programme’s figures on its own page, alongside whatever else has measured it.

Related

Sources

What this page rests on. Where a source is marked as registered rather than read, CiderHQ is recording that the body is authoritative on the subject without claiming to have worked through the document itself. See our evidence policy for what each state means.